Monthly Archives: October 2015

Tides Out At Collings & Bell

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Tides Out At Collings & Bell
photos & details ex Harold Kidd

When the Collings & Bell boat yard / shed in St Mary’s Bay was vacated due to the Harbour Bridge construction project, a lot of cool items were just left lying around, on a sneaky visit Barry Davis discovered a selection of Chas Collings’ glass photography quarter plates showing St Mary’s Bay during an ultra low tide in the 1930s. The photos show that in the days before dredging most of the launches and yachts are aground.
Even though the plates were cracked & damaged the detail is amazing & they could be blown up to view the boats in detail. To secure these negatives was a great find as most of the plates were tossed into the bay by the apprentices.

In photo #4 Harold’s father’s schooner TAHITIENNE is at right background out in the stream in RottenRow.

Vesper

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VESPER
photos ex Zach Matich & Pam Cundy

Vesper is a rather special Kaipara boat having been in the Matich family for 3 generations. Powered by a 4 cylinder Ford diesel. She appeared on ww back in 2013 but Pam has recently sent me the photos of her hauled out at Pahi.

Maybe Zach can chip in with some more details – builder, year etc?

Harold Kidd Input

VESPER is clearly a “settler’s launch”, one of hundreds built in this exact style by Chas. Bailey Jr in the main, but also by Bailey & Lowe and other Auckland builders. They were in the mould of the launch MILKMAID, built by Chas. Bailey Jr in late 1901 for use on the Hauraki Plains for carrying produce out and supplies and people around the rivers of the district. They were usually around 32ft loa, diagonal built for maximum internal volume and could carry several wool-bales under that tall dee-front cabin top. Many are still soldiering on these days.
In an article in the Northern Advocate of 2nd July 1988 the history of VESPER was discussed, putting her at 1905, which seems about right, and talking about her lengthy ownership by the Matich family on the Kaipara for fishing and towing, and earlier with Capt. A.V. Subritzky as skipper.

Update 17-10-2016 –  photo of Vesper sitting on trailer at Hobsonville Marina, Mon 3rd Oct. Where she was off to was unknown….. ?  photo ex John Wicks

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Silvery Main

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SILVERY MAIN
photo ex Pam Cundy

Today’s photo of Silvery Main was sent in by Pam from the Whangateau Traditional Boat yard & was taken last weekend at Kawau Island.
Now I’m not a big fan of flybridges on older boats but the one on Silvery Main has been done well, nice proportions.
Can anyone shed some light on the history of the launch?

Harold Kidd Input

I have SILVERY MAIN’s original plans and details of her early history from Bob Cairns, her former owner for 5 years. I’ll post the plans when I’ve had them copied. However, essentially her hull was the 28ft sport fisherman SEA STRIKE design by Rogers Winter of Florida with the cabin top and interior only designed by Claude Smith who built her in Whangarei. Her first owner was a chap called Hermann, a mill-owner from Whangarei who had her built to tow logs from Kawau to Sandspit when he got the contract to fell the pines.She was built much heavier than the American design and had far less power.
Very sweet design!

08-12-2015 Input from Ray Morey
‘Silvery Main’ was built by Alan Smith of Whangarei for Charlie Herman of Herman Timbers & in my eyes another example of flowing curves spoiled by straight lines and square corners plonked on top of a nice hull.
The bit about being built to tow logs was a bit of creative accounting for tax purposes, yes she is heavily built and underpowered and probably had a limited survey for a time but I did all of the log hauling for Charlie with the new twinscrew tug ‘Tangaroa’ and the Tauranga built barge ‘Rakanui’ belonging to Whangarei Towboats Ltd. The logs were pushed over a cliff at Schoolhouse Bay and I loaded on the flats there. I also built, with the help of the logging contractor (Mike Johnson) a bit of a landing in South Cove and took several loads out of there.

02-01-2016 Input from Alastair MacKenzie

“A few memories of the Silvery Main from the mid to late 1960’s when she was owned by my then employer Charlie Herman skippered mainly by my off-sider Barney Mahanga and used  by the  Hermans as their family launch. We would use her also to tow the Co’s small barge with freight and goods from Sandspit but she certainly never towed barges of logs – far too flash for that !!
All the logs we produced were towed to Whangarei from both Schoolhouse Bay and South Cove from a landing built by Mike Johnson. The barges were Bert Subritzskies which we would load with an old Skagit swing boom log hauler!  It was always a drama to get the barge loaded in time for the next high tide.”

Miss Picton > Mitre Peak

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Miss Picton > Mitre Peak
photos ex Charles Collings / Bill Wilson Collection via Ron Wattam

The above photo was sent to me by Ron Wattam whose wife’s grandfather was Charles Collings. Given this we can assume that the launch above is most likely a Collings & Bell, so the question is, can anyone name her & the year of build / launch. And if that happens, where is she today?

Harold Kidd Update

MISS PICTON launched 7/12/1933 for Captain M Steele of Picton. Later MITRE PEAK.
She was very similar to DONALD SUTHERLAND launched in January 1936. MISS PICTON was built to replace TINOPAI which C&B built for Steele in November 1932 but which was destroyed by fire when only a moth old. They were identical but TINOPAI was painted a dark colour, not white like MISS PICTON.

Update 31-09-2019 photo below ex Len Redwood’s fb

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Norma

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NORMA
photos via Nathan Herbert ex Manukau Yacht & Launch Club collection

Three photos today of the 40′ launch Norma. The top one is dated 14-01-1915. The middle one records her in 1929 winning a MY&LC race for launches helmed by ladies. Also featured are the yachts ‘Sea Gnome’ & ‘Sylvis’.
The bottom photo is from 1939 & shows Norma & the 26′ launch ‘Marina’ being off loaded (lorry?) & re-launched into the Waitemata Harbour. I’m sure Harold can enlighten ww followers the reason these launches made the trip from the Manukau.

Can we expand some more on Norma – designer/builder etc?

Harold Kidd Input

There were several NORMAs. This Coulthard NORMA was built at Onehunga for the Jeffs brothers and launched in November 1913. She was a 32ft flushdecker with an anonymous 10hp engine but had a 30hp 4 cylinder Wolseley installed in the winter of 1919. The Jeffs sold her to C. “Shorty” Schnauer in January 1921. In the 1930s she was sold to Whitianga for game fishing. She was owned there by Bill Clark and was in Whitianga until at least 1980.
I don’t know this MARINA under that name. There were many MARINAS, another one game fishing out of Mangawai in the early thirties owned by Franich but it can’t be this one.

SEA GNOME was one of the square bilge 14 footers built by George Honour that formed the basis of the so-called “Sea Class”, 14ft “flatties” most with names starting with “Sea” that latter morphed into the Auckland Y Class. Honour built her in 1921 and she was an immediate champion. Chuck Auger owned her for 14l years and took her to the Manukau in 1927. She raced on both harbours. The Y14 on her sail was her Manukau number.
SYLVIA was a 22ft mullet boat designed by Dick Lang and built by Harvey & Lang in October 1912. She was on the Manukau from 1924 to 1930, mostly owned by C. Paul.

Blue Duck

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BLUE DUCK

photos & details ex Peter Murtons. edited by Alan Houghton

This old 1895 fantail oil launch was built by the Knewstubb Brothers in Port Chalmers as a tender for one of the many gold dredges they built for the Shotover and other Rivers. She has been a motor boat with 3-4 different motors having been in her going by the amount of exhaust holes that were found in her. The original bronze stern tube was still in her but had been cut off flush with the hull inside and out then plugged. She may have had another plank on the topside when first built as there is no deck fastenings in the original stern and the top has unfinished adze marks still very visible on it. When Peter striped her down, all the ribs were finished at the green plank line (under side of deck as she is now) all the ribs were rebated to take the shear clamp and the transom had a rebate for the deck.  Sometime in the 1950-60s she was converted to a keeler, with another 300mm + a lump of railway iron added to her keel and another plank added to the topsides and cabins were added (refer photo above). This was all held on with galv. nails skewed down into the shear clamp and transom and bits of copper sheet wrapped around the stem.

In the early 1980s she sank in the Frankton arm of Lake Wakatipu. She was then taken to Cromwell for 15 years then to Alexandra for 10 years as a garden ornament.

She is 16ft Kauri hull, the ribs and sawn frames in the counter are Broad leaf and Kowhai all the yellow topsides and cabins were put on 1950-60s when she was converted to sail. At some stage two planks were replaced and she was then glassed over with polyester. This caused her to sink as the garboard plank on the starboard side buckled and cracked due to uneven moisture levels on the garboard planks.

Peter has re ribbed her with oak, new oak sawn frames, both garbed planks are new and 1st and 2nd planks port side were replaced due to a very rough repair job done on her some time a go. A new Kauri stern was also fitted. The new decks are Kauri. While cleaning out the old strong post notch in stem Peter found an English penny dated 1895, this is not original as it was well worn, if one was put in her at all when she was built, it would have been a new sixpence or shilling. She is all copper fastened and all the old iron keel bolts have been replaced with copper. The new decks have a sub layer of 6mm ply to strengthen her for trailering her. All the fastenings were removed so they could clean out between the planks then a flexible sealer was applied between the laps prior to re-riveting the planks back together, this allows the planks to move shrink and expand without leaking every time we want to use her.

Blue Duck is now powered by a Hasbrouck twin steam engine, fed via a black staff water tube boiler Peter built for her. She can swing her 17×30 prop easily.

More info & photos can be found at http://www.murtons.co.nz

Kiwi – Sailing Sunday

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KIWI  – Sailing Sunday
photos & details ex Peter Midegly

Following up on last Sundays post on the royal p-class yacht ‘Tui’, Peter Midegly sent in the above collection of photos of the 14’ sailing dinghy ‘Kiwi. She was built at the Devonport Naval Base by his late father, Eric Midgley, a shipwright, with the assistance of an apprentice, both employed at the dockyard. ‘Kiwi’ was built in Auckland for members of the royal family, this being the occasion of the wedding of the then Princess Elizabeth to Prince Philip in 1947.

Unlike the ‘Tui’, ‘Kiwi’ was well used, as is outlined in the letter below from G.A. Vince of the Sea Training Establishment at Botley, Southampton. This letter describes the workmanship of the boat as first class and her success in racing with other Naval 14 footers. In 1952 George Vince, Director of the Southampton Sailing Centre, also won first prize racing ‘Kiwi’ during Cowes Week that year.

Peter does not know whether the Royal couple sailed ‘Kiwi’ to any great extent, but from the 1950’s she was used by a number of sailing organisations & Sea Cadet Units .

Some years ago Peter made enquiries as to what had happened to ‘Kiwi’, and eventually located her at the National Maritime Museum Cornwall, Falmouth. At the time they told him she was in their offsite store in Falmouth.

Peter’s father started his boat building apprenticeship in 1923 with Joe Slattery. He later worked at Percy Vos’s during the building of the ferry Korea and from 1938 to 1950 at H.M. Dockyard, Devonport. His final employment was with the Auckland Harbour Board as a shipwright in Beaumont St. before retiring in the 1960’s.

Elma

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ELMA
photos & details ex Bruce Pullan

In Thursdays post on ww of the Onehunga Basin, Harold Kidd commented on the launch Elma owned by Bruce’s grandfather, Reg Pullan. Bruce was told that his grandfather was not the first owner of Elma & that her original name was Huia. She was 22 foot & the original engine was a single cylinder De Dion. The suggested builder is Bailey & Lowe (looking for confirmation). The photo above is when she was with a later owner, but still on the Manukau.
Below is an invoice from John S. Gibbons of Onehunga for engineering work in 1923 for work on Elma.

Harold Kidd Input

ELMA was probably the HUIA first owned by W Partridge of Onehunga in 1909 although the raised foredeck is early for 1909. Partridge sold her to T. Higham in 1911 and she disappears from the reports after 1918, probably when Reg Pullan bought her and changed her name probably after his wife-to-be Elma Welch.
There were just so many HUIAs that it’s almost impossible to establish who built this one. Bailey & Lowe built at least one, the 40ft steam launch HUIA for the Seagar Bros in 1902, but I can’t match HUIA / ELMA one to any builder.

A Few Photos From The Start of the 2015 Coastal Classic (click on photos to enlarge)

Motunau

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MOTUNAU
photo ex Nathan Herbert

The above photos of Motunau were taken in Okahu Bay, Nathan reports that Harold Kidd says was built for the Chamberlains & that she is probably a Lidgard. Interested if anyone can supply more details on her. Nathan has a sneaky feeling that her lines show a hint of Colin Wild i.e. a smaller type Haunui.

11-04-2017 Update ex Nathan Herbert – photo below from the G. Riethmaier collection of  Motunau getting her new top 😉

Among the yards at Westhaven G. Riethmaier

Onehunga Launches

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Onehunga & Launches 22-10-2015
photo ex Nathan Herbert ex MYMBC

I suspect that today’s photo will be a challenge for woodys to ID. Initially all I’ll say is that it is Auckland.
Eight+ years ago when I purchased Raindance (then Nona C & previously Lady Gay) & was in discussion with Harold Kidd as to her provenance, I was staggered when Harold told me that in the early 1900’s there were 100’s of sub 35′ launches, most following a very standard design, built in & around Auckland both as workhorses & pleasure craft. When I see a photo like the above I can understand the difficulty ID’ing those that survived 🙂

Bruce Pullan Input

Onehunga Basin prior to the reclamation, now motorway. Manukau Hotel to the left, Tearooms in the centre, Wharf in the background.