Karina

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Karina

KARINA

photo & details from Winston Jacob (owner)

Designed by Parsons & built in 1959 in Tauranga. Carvel planked hull, powered by twin 120hp Fords. LOA 38’6″ x B 11′ 6″ x D 3′ 6″. Winston purchased her in 1999, any further info on her past would be appreciated.

Another Unknown Launch

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Another Unknown Launch

Unknown Launch

photo ex Ken Ricketts

Venue looks like Milford Creek??
Any ideas on the vessel ??

Harold Kidd Update

I’m sure this pic originated from me. (you are correct Harold, I think you sent it several years ago to Ken R – Alan H)  It’s not a Williams boat as he started building well after WW2 and this launch is 1920s or earlier. It’s not VIVEEN, Percy Mason’s first boat (see my column in this November’s Boating NZ). I suspect it’s MAIEBE, ex-MARY M, ex-REGINA, built by Lanes in December 1912 as a flushdecker which had a very similar “bridgedeck”, tramtop and dodger put on in the latter part of her life.  She went ashore and broke up in the violent storm of early February 1936 when owned by Bert Prosser. That storm was often talked about in my family because my father’s yacht WAKANUI went up on the beach at Waiwera during it, while my mother was at home 8.5 months pregnant with me! He got hell for years.

I’ll check with pics at home tonight. I would think Warkworth River too, and I’m sure the original image I have at home has a Tudor Collins backstamp.

Mystery Launch

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Mystery Launch

Mystery Launch

photo ex Ken Ricketts

Ok – can anyone ID the launch closest to the camera? The back one is almost certainly the Lady Una. And while you are at it what about the yacht?

Harold Kidd Update

I haven’t a clue about the launch, but the yacht is intriguing. She’s clearly an early 1890’s two and a half rater that’s been bobbed at the bow. The giveaways are the non-faired stem post and the cabin top/cockpit treatment. I’m not really up with what progressive “modernisations” each of these yachts suffered. A pity her underbody comes out so murky. However I would plump for GLORIANA (but I think she’s too fat) or a Bailey boat like DAISY. I would love a high-res image to play with the contrast and brightness and see if the hull below the waterline could be brought up.

Gloriana lines ex HDK

gloriana

Esme

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Esme

ESME

photo & details ex Ken Ricketts

Esme belonged to Henry Allen in the 1920s & 30s prior to him buying Tiromoana. The above photo was taken in 1924 & was as published in The NZ Aquatic magazine Friday, March 14th 1924. Not sure of her engine at this stage. She was named after his daughter Esme.

H.A. spoke of the boat when ever Ken saw him in the 1940s & 50s. He undoubtedly was very fond of the old boat. Ken never ever saw Esme, always wanted to, & now with this photo his curiosity is answered.

Harold Kidd Update

ESME was built by Joe Slattery for Pop Allen in August 1921. I’ve no info on engine fitted but it must have been fairly potent as she was fast. Allen raised her cabin top and put on a dodger in 1930. She was for sale on TradeMe three years ago in desperate condition. Kevin Hussey had owned her at Half Moon Bay in poor condition for some time before that.

ESME IN AQUATIC MAGAZINE 14.3.24

ESME IN AQUATIC MAGAZINE 14.3.24

Tamure

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Tamure

TAMURE

photo ex ken ricketts

Looking for any details on the above, for once even Ken has drawn a blank.

Update from Harold Kidd

She’s been called TAMURE in this configuration at least since A R Gifford owned her in 1952 and is allegedly Lanes-built. Subsequent owners were F Innes-Jones of Pakuranga, Keith Archer of Takapuna and Steven Ford who told me she was built by Lanes c2000. There was an earlier TAMURE, built by David Reid as WAIATA in 1913 and renamed TAMURE in 1920. She spent some years in Whangarei, I think. It’s possible that this is the same boat, modernised and attributed to “Lanes” generically. After all, who remembered David Reid after he left for Queensland to cure his asthma?

Update from Dennis Rule -Tamure is berthed at Pine Harbour and is owned by Stephen Ford.

Update from Paul Drake – I remember this boat as Rothesay at Taupo in the 1950’s and 60’s. Owned by a Don McLeod and operated commercially. I always thought she was a Collings and Bell, but am not sure why I thought that.

Harold Kidd Update #2

I checked photos last night. Unless there were massive changes, she’s not the former TAMURE, ex-WAIATA. However, the ROTHESAY comment by Paul opens up a new line of thought. If this TAMURE is a 40 footer then she could very well be the very last ROTHESAY built for H D Heather (there were 4 of them) by Bailey & Lowe in 1920-1. Heather died in April 1922 which obscures her subsequent movements

#3 

The site “HISTORY SITE FOR BOATS OF TAUPO” says that the ROTHESAY that Don McLeod had during the 1950s was a 32ft 1911 Bailey & Lowe-built boat. Heather did own a ROTHESAY in 1912 which had been built by Bailey & Lowe in 1911 but as MAVIS. Heather sold her to Cape Runaway in 1912 and it may have been this ROTHESAY that is now TAMURE. There were 4 other ROTHESAYs so my head is spinning…….

There are some comments on the site which are highly dubious such as “during WW1 she was used as a patrol boat by the Navy”. That didn’t happen.

I wonder what the dimensions of this TAMURE are? That would help with the minefield of information, much of it conflicting.

An update from the current owner – Stephen Ford

Tamure was named Belinda when we brought her but we put her back to the original name. We have owned her for 29 years and we have only changed the aft deck shape by squaring it off instead of a semi circle and lengthen the dodger sides. She was supposedly built by Dick Lang in the mid to late 1920’s and the wheel house or focsal were added post build. We have been lead to believe she spent a good part of her early life game fishing around  Mayor Island. The people we brought her off, found and used her on the Kaipara for a number of years before relocating her back to the Waitamata. We found her in the Tamaki River as a very run down old girl.

Paul Drake Update #2 – I am overseas at the moment but when I get back to Taupo I will dig out an excellent photo of Rothesay at Taupo for consideration! I think she was about 40 feet. She is fairly distinctive forward I would say, and to my eyes the wheelhouse is perfection. The dodger sides were canvas in those days and she had a mast. Don McLead owned two Rothesays. The first was a  32 foot Bailey and Lowe, ex “Government” boat which Don bought as a near wreck when he returned from WW2 and ran commercially before upgrading to the larger Rothesay.

Leitner

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earlier photo ex Dave Jackson

1. Update from Ken Ricketts – The Leitner was owned by the late Trevor Davis who’s father Sir Earnest Davis bought her for him, in the later 1920s & sold her when he bought the Glenifer for his son, in 1932. — Ken’s father Ralph Ricketts sailed on her on most trips.

2. Update from Adrienne – Built 1913 by Harvey & Lang with a Buffalo engine supplied by David Reid.

Research in the NZ Past Papers, reveals that she regularily raced around the Auckland Harbour (Ak Anniversary Regatta) from around 1913 thru to early 1930’s and the skipper was a certain Colonel White.  She raced as a Bona Fide Cruiser in the 8 to 10 knots division and on one occasion finished a 10 nautical mile course in 3hours 41 minutes and 46 seconds.

3. Harold Kidd Update

The Buffalo didn’t last in her long. It was replaced by a Mason & Porter-built 5″ x 7″ 4 cylinder 50hp engine in January 1914. F Restall and H L Rees owned her from 1926 to 1937. She spent a while at Paremata before she came back to Auckland and was owned by Dr. P A Restall for several years from 1959.

4. Update & c1947 photo from Robin Elliott

Leitner is currently owned by Roger Clark and partner and cruises out of the Whangarei Cruising Club. At some time she was ‘converted ‘ to a sort of bridge decker-type. The hull and trail boards are still original and some of the windows were used in the conversion.

Photo added 15-10-2015. At anchor at Fanal Island (Mokohinau Group). Photo ex Mac Taylor Collection

Leitner at Fanal Is Mokohinau Group 1

06-04-2016 photo below ex Hylton Edmonds of Leitner at Kissing Point, Whangarei.

LEITNER @ KISSING POINT WHANGAREI Feb2016

 09-04-2016 Update & photos below from owner via Ken R

Leitner is presently owned by Roger Clark of Whangarei & is moored at Kissing Point. Roger purchased her approx. 5 years ago from Half Moon Bay, Howick. She has a Perkins 6-354 which is an identical replacement fitted about 3 years ago, of the engine she had when Roger purchased her.

LEITNER AT WHANGAREI - c2015 -1

Manowai

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Manowai

MANOWAI

photo & details ex KenRicketts

Was owned by a Claude Atherton, during WWII & through to approx the 1960s.

During WWII, he was a welder employed by my father at Mason & Porter in Parnell.

C. A. lived in Parnell & he kept Manowai in Judges Bay, by the groin just under the bridge, for many years, later moving her to the Western Viaduct in later years — see below.

To the best of my recall, she was built by either Collings & Bell, or Baileys, & she was the second launch I ever went on board, at circa 8 years old (c1944), not too long after my first trip ever, on Tiromoana.

She originally, I believe, & certainly when I first went on her had a 6 cyl Thornycroft petrol engine, with 1 side & 1 overhead valve, (painted green), a configuration similar to early Land Rovers. This engine was replaced in the later 40s by a twin cyl Ruston Diesel

She originally had a stern exhaust, just above the waterline on the port side. This was replaced with a short funnel out the deck, amidships, when the Ruston was installed. The Ruston was fitted because C.A. retired from M & P, & went long line fishing commercially, in the later 1940s with an “AK” commercial fishing number on the bow, & she moved shortly after this change in use, to the Western Viaduct as above. He eventually retired because of old age setting in & I lost contact with her for many years & one day, came upon her, by chance, in one of the downtown boatbuilders sheds, perhaps Orams or similar, in the later 1980s or 1990s, where she was undergoing a major hull repair job, with rib replacements, &/or refastening, which, as I recall, took many months or perhaps over a year to complete. — I remember being in conversation with the owner at that time.

C.A’s. daughter, Heather became the wife of one our most famous boat designers, boat builders, & blue water sailors, our very own, really great guy, John Lidgard.