Lady Doreen – Win a WW T-Shirt
As mentioned yesterday, Dean Wright also sent in the above two photos from the Snook Fullers collection. In the 1st photo we see Lady Doreen coming into weigh two marlin at Russell (the anglers left to right in the cockpit Ist guy unknown, WG Sherman, Bill Pocklington, Emmet Olsen, 5th guy is the deckie, name unknown).
In the 2nd photo with the 3 kingfish over the side – I’ll give a WW t-shirt to the first woody that can name the Maori gent standing on the left in the cockpit. Answers only via the WW comments section. (If you have won one already, you are out of luck)
31-07-2017 Update – In the comments section Lindsay suggested that the mystery person could have been Kura Beale, it wasn’t – the correct answer was Matt Rata. But Dean Wright sent me the photo below of Kura weighing in a thresher shark.
The Story Of Lady Doreen and Lola & Snooks Fuller
Dean Wright recently popped around to visit long time friends Lola & Snooks Fuller. Dean recorded the ‘chat’ on his phone & later typed it up & asked Snooks to review it to ensure Dean got everything right. While there Dean also photographed part of the Fuller’s photo collection, luckily for us woodys Dean is a pro photographer so the photos of photos are rather good.
Below is some of the history of the legendary game fishing launch. Lady Doreen & owners Lola & Snooks Fuller. I have reproduced the story & photos as submitted by Dean – Enjoy 🙂
LOA 42’ – Beam 14’ – Draft 3’ 6” – Launched 19th December 1951
Builders: Wally and Bert Deeming, Snooks and Norman Fuller at Deemings Yard, Okiato, Bay of Islands. Designed by Snooks Fuller, then aged 18. Named for Snook’s mum Doreen Fuller
Full length kauri planking 6” x 1”, pohutukawa frames. 2 kauri logs sourced from a farmers property at Twin Bridges and milled at Rangiahua Sawmills.
2 Scripts V8 petrol motors were bought originally to power the boat they were reconditioned ex war surplus. However, Andy Donovan sold the Fullers 2 new Osco V8 Petrol motors at a good price and these were fitted in place of the Scripts. After just a month of service, one of the Osco’s put a con rod through the side of the block and was replaced by one of the Scripts. Luckily it was a fairly simple changeover fitting straight into the same mounting, being similar motors. 2 years later, when Fordson Major brought a diesel tractor out, one of the V8 petrol motors was replaced with a 4 cylinder Pike. “We mostly only used one motor anyhow, very seldom did we run on two, we had one diesel and one petrol for years” After quite a few years the other V8 petrol was replaced by a 6 cylinder Ford diesel.
Snooks original idea was to have a big open cockpit and a day boat. His Dad Norman counseled him against it, asking what if the game fishing packs up, what are you going to do with the boat? He felt Snooks needed a boat you could get a party on and go away and cruise maybe do a bit of snapper fishing, a bit of king fishing and that’s how the Lady Doreen developed.
If Zane Grey put the Bay of Islands on the map as a game fishing mecca then Snooks and the Doreen became NZ’s best known game fishing charter boat during the 1950’s through the 70’s breaking many world records and enjoying an international reputation. A hint of what they were to achieve happened on the first two days of their very first charter. Day one they landed a black marlin of 516lb for American angler Dick Aldsworth, day two another black of 366lb’s For Dick’s wife Alice. Black marlin are a reasonably uncommon catch, the Bay Of Island Swordfish Club catch records show just 20 caught that season. So for a 19-year-old Snooks to catch two for his anglers in his first two days running the boat was quite an achievement. In the 50’s 130lb breaking strain line was the order of the day for charter boats fishing for marlin. American Angler Harold Hopkins chartered Snooks and the Doreen for the month of March each year for six years, intent on light tackle fishing. In 1954 they boated a 331lb Striped marlin on 6 thread 20lb breaking strain to set a world record that would stand for 14 years. Lines in those days were made of linen and for their strength to be retained they had to be kept wet unlike modern lines.
Snooks and his wife Lola along with his parent’s Norman and Doreen visited Harold at his home in the States in 1958. “Hopkins took Snooks to his private jetty where he showed the young kiwi his pride and joy; a vessel called ‘Esperanza II’. Hopkins asked Snooks what he thought of it. “Beautiful” was his response. In an incredible act of generosity Hopkins stunned Snooks when he said, “She’s yours. Take her home” Arrangements were made and the boat was shipped back to NZ where she joined the Bay of Islands charter fleet from the 1959 season”
These pictures tell more of the story:
Snook’s mum Doreen for whom the boat was named and dad Norman.
One of the two original kauri logs the Doreen was built from prior to milling at Rangiahua Sawmills.
Milling the kauri
Snooks and wife Lola with the half model Snook’s built as an 18 year old that the Doreen’s frames and lines were taken from.
Launch Day 19th December 1951 Wally & Bert Deemings Boat Shed at Okiato.
The Lady Doreen’s first two marlin.
First two days charter fishing – two black marlin landed for the 19 year old Snooks (kneeling left) and his anglers and deckhand Ez Smith.
16th March 1954 – World Record 331lb Striped Marlin on 6 thread (20lb) breaking strain line for angler Harold Hopkins. Snooks far left, deckhand John Hives kneeling. This was unusually light gear, 130lb breaking strain line was the norm in the 50’s.
An early shot of the Lady Doreen trolling near ‘The Sisters’ before her distinctive four-outrigger setup was fitted.
Four outriggers and four game chairs allowed four anglers to fish one trolled bait each, all day.
Trolling in front of the hole in the rock, Piercy Island.
Eric Kay, Charley Fuller, Roly Rogers & Owen
About to weigh some fish at Paihia wharf. Live baits that needed to keep alive for the next day were placed in the circular container on the port side and put over the side overnight. Nice big catch flags in those days!
Four game chairs two on the top deck, two in the cockpit
Esperanza II, a Chris Craft, gifted to Snooks by American fisherman Harold Hopkins. Hopkins fished with Snooks and the Lady Doreen for a month every year for six years.
Harold Hopkins NZ Story
Snooks bought the Luck Strike, a 24’ Mason Clipper and shipped her to Cairns where him and his fishing mates set a world record for a black marlin of 1124lb’s on 50lb line caught by Eddie Seay.
Input from Brian Worthington – photo below shows LD as of today. Brian reports, she is in beautiful order and a credit to its owner 🙂
photos ex Harold Kidd, Brian Mace & Carol Stewart. info ex Ken Ricketts, edited by Alan H
Following on from yesterdays post on Manuroa (Lady Doreen), Gordon Mac replaced her with Sobrine after selling Lady Doreen to Len Swan of Orakei in 1951, Swan immediately changed her name to Manuroa.
Sobrine’s hull was built by Jack Taylor in Onehunga & moved, after some disagreement with Taylor, to the Lane Motor Boat Co in Panmure, to be finished & she was launched in November 1956.
When launched she was 38′ but had her bow extended by approx 4′ by Shipbuilders Ltd., 1 > 2yrs later. When lengthened Mace moved her original stern exhaust to a short stack on one side of the rear of the bridgedeck cabin top, which had to be on one side because of her internal layout. In the interests of aesthetic balance he put a non active ‘look alike’ on the other side.
She originally had a Graymarine petrol engine when launched, which was replaced with a Gardner 6LW diesel, when she was very new. Gordon Mace’s son Brian advised she needed to have the bridgedeck cabin top cut off, in order to lower the Gardner in place.
In c.1962 the Mace’s had moved to Coromandel, along with Sobrine to live.
Mace sold her to a friend, Jeff Innes of Coromandel. The story goes that Jeff Innes had fallen in love with her Sobrine at first sight & had pestered Mace for some time to buy her. One day Mace on the spur of the moment accepted an offer from Innes & the boat was sold, much to the families disapproval.
Innes sold her to Bruce Stewart, of Thames in c.1980’s.
Stewart sold her in July 1992 to Roy Ladd of Auckland, who still owns her.
Note: The name Sobrine came about by one of lifes little oops moments – Gordon Mace’s eldest daughter, Aileen, when christening the boat mixed up the intended name ‘Sabrene’ (pronounced Sabreeny) with Sobrine & with her being very young at the time, the family decided to stay with Sobrine 🙂
Manuroa (Lady Doreen)
photos ex Rob Alloway, Brian Worthington, Rob Swan. research ex Ken Ricketts (edited by Alan H)
Manuroa started out in life as Lady Doreen & was the last of 3 identical sister ships ( Wanda II – 1948, for Fred Porter, then Connie V for Valentines of Hamilton, refer previous ww stories). Then Manuroa (Lady Doreen) in 1949 & built by Lane Motor Boat Company for Gordon Mace of Panmure. Mace lived 5 minutes up the road from Lane Motor Boat’s premises on the waters edge of the Tamaki River. She was named after his wife Doreen & was the first of 2 boats that were associated with Lanes for him, the other being the Sobrine which was built partly by Lanes, in 1956.
Mace sold Lady Doreen to Len Swan of Orakei on 12th June 1951, who immediately changed her name to Manuroa, which it has been ever since (65 yrs).
Swan sold her in c.1962 to Harold Alloway, a Waikato (Rotorangi) farmer. He kept her in Whakatakataka Bay & slipped her in the green sheds in the bay, whilst at Rotorangi & also when he later moved to Auckland. She stayed there until c1966/67 when according to his son Francis, Harold moved to Whitianga & took Manuroa with him. While at Whitianga, he fitted her with game fishing poles & used her for game fishing in the later part of his ownership.
Alloway sold her on 30th Sept. 1970 to a John Quinn of Ponsonby, Auckland & she was reportedly seen moored in Westhaven not long after. It was possibly Quinn that sold the vessel to Dick & Paula Hillary of Auckland.
The next record of her sees her popping up in Sept. 1996 owned by the Hillary’s, they owned her for many years, just how many years is unclear but research by KR indicates they may well have owned her from some time in the 1970’s, until when they sold her in Sept. 1996 to Fred & Flo Presland of Kawau Island. During the Hillary ownership they replaced the Gardner 4LW diesel (imported direct from England by Gordon Mace & installed in Nov 1950) with the 6LW that she still has today.
The Preslands sold her c.2000 to Bernie Wood, a Auckland boat broker of Half Moon Bay. When Wood passed away his estate sold her in Sept. 2005 to her present owner Bruce Johnston of Milford. Bruce supplied the two pages below from the 1951 log book.
MYSTERY LAUNCHES 21-07-2015
photo ex Harold Kidd
During the recent post on the launch Manana (Raehutia) Harold Kidd sent me several photos of Manana while she was owned by the Seagar family.
Thats her on the left in the photo above – today’s question for woodys is what are the two launches to the right of the wharf ? & while we are at it – the location?
To view / read more about Manana – click link https://waitematawoodys.com/2015/07/17/manana/
And to brighten up the day – some stunning yachting photos from the first 2 days of the British Classic Week -click the link below
Update from Hylton Edmonds
From Left to Right – Manana (pre Leon / Chris Brown), Albacora (Pat Edmonds) and Lady Doreen (“Snooks” Fuller / AE Fuller & Sons), – and yes, taken at Otehei Bay, hmmm… guessing around late 50’s?. Due to the fact that Otehei Bay had the Lodge and was an official BOISFC Weigh Station Site, a lot of the Big Game boats would operate out of there, (as well as their home bases Russell / Paihia ) over a season. A few of them had permanent moorings down there too. Great Photo of a wonderful era.