Karamana II

Karamana II


I have always known her as just Karamana, but I guess she has to be Karamana II, as I’ve now read this morning, the original one, which was built for the Cadman family in the 1920s. has been created before her. The name, I read also, is, to quote, a “pig Maori,” interpretation of the name “Cadman.” — lovely name anyway, sounds good.

KARAMANA II is a WW II 105 ft Fairmile converted to a pleasure craft circa 1945-46 by the Cadman family powered by 2 x 6-71 GM Detroit diesels, or the Graymarine version of them, & was undoubtedly, the very best pleasure craft Fairmile conversion, I ever saw. From the outside she was, in my view, aesthetically lovely. I took this pic circa1948 on her moorings in Hobson Bay. She was always immaculate & hardly used, Disappeared from there in the early 1950s, & I never saw her again — I think perhaps she may have gone to the Pacific Islands.
Any news anyone has would be great, just email me at kenpat@ihug.co.nz

story & pic ex Ken Ricketts

Harold Kidd Update

Andy Ryland was my uncle. This Fairmile was sold to his mate Cadman after Andy was killed in the NAC Lodestar crash at Paraparaumu. Bob McDougall’s book tells the story about Fairmiles more than adequately.

6 thoughts on “Karamana II

  1. How wonderful to read all this delightful input — thank you so much, gentlemen.

    I didn’t realise I would get such a fanastic response


  2. Drawing again on Bob McDougall’s book New Zealand Naval Vessels: ML 400 was built by Baileys. Rebuilt and named Seandra, she was burned in Port Fitzroy Great Barrier, beached and demolished March 1982. ML 401 also Baileys, named Mahurangi in ’47. Went to the Cook Islands for trading and was lost off Aitutaki February 1954.
    ML 411 stayed in the Navy and was named Kahu in 1956. She spent a lot of her life (’65 – ’82) under cover while owned by NS Ferry Co. I used to pay my respects from time to time and was amazed that they could afford to do that. She was rebuilt 1982 and lay up by the North Harbour bridge. She has not long been sold and moved up north for -apparently- restoration. Hope she does better than our other fairmiles did. Ain’t many left now. Once they get them ashore, they fall apart fairly quickly.
    I think it was Kevin Cassells who did a good book about the fairmiles -their wartime exploits and after.


  3. Andy Ryland was my uncle. This Fairmile was sold to his mate Cadman after Andy was killed in the NAC Lodestar crash at Paraparaumu. Bob McDougall’s book tells the story about Fairmiles more than adequately.


  4. Thank you very much Russell.

    I note that the discussions have been referring to ML408 when apparently the Fairmiles were designated with Q prefixes. This is confirmed by the photo in the previous post for Shenandoah that shows the Fairmiles berthed in the background. You can see Q400 clearly. I had originally thought the ML prefix was correct, but looking at the photos of these vessels during WW2, they all seemed to carry the Q prefix. Even after WW2, those retained by the Royal NZ Navy used the prefix P rather than ML. Could anyone clarify this anomaly? Should the Fairmiles be referred to by the prefix ‘ML’ or the prefix ‘Q’?

    So far I have been able to ascertain that there were 4 builders of the NZ Fairmiles:

    Charles Bailey & Sons (Q402)
    Associated Boat Builders (Q403, Q404, Q405, Q406)
    Shipbuilders Ltd (Q407, Q408, Q409)
    Percy Vos & Co Ltd (Q410)

    I have yet to ascertain who built Q400 and Q401 (were they Charles Bailey & Sons?) and Q411 (was it Percy Vos & Co Ltd?).

    The World War 2 production of small craft by New Zealand and Australia is a story worth telling. Are there any references that you might be able to recommend for the NZ story? For a small part of that story that I have been working to uncover, see http://www.boatregister.net/WW2_ArmyWorkBoats.html


  5. Quoting from Bob McDougall’s epic record “New Zealand Naval Vessels:
    ML408 [Built Shipbuilders] sold fire damaged 4/47 to Rylands Ltd but resold and renamed Karamana by Cadmans. ON178439. Private use Auckland. Renamed Colville 1956 Hauraki Gulf whaling tender to 1963 then on to lighthouse and passenger services Auckland. To Fiji for islands trading 1976. Sunk on Tuvuca Reef Tavua north coast of Viti Levu 11/4/79 on voyage Savusava to Lautoka. Salvaged and repaired. Renamed Adi Litia by 1985 for cruises from Nadi.
    They were 112′ x 18.2′ x 5’2”.
    I preferred them as per original -but lots of deck space. Ngaroma looked good. If there was to be a conversion, Deborah Bay wasn’t too bad. Funnily enough, I thought Kahu -the one that was up harbour looked reasonable.


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